Minion recruit Q. (in General)

Let's say I want to know in advance how much it would cost me to recruit at 100k MPR. How can I calculate this?

http://www.carnageblender.com/wiki/Various+Formulae

Okay. I went there before posting, I swear. But to be frank, it's chinese to me. So I'll make it simpler to anyone who cares to respond here, as I don't think you'll want to take the responsibility to make me go through all my failed math classes. And then making me pass them :P

I should have chosen that path in the first place:

At 100k mpr, how much does it cost to recruit? I'll go from there. Thanks :)

It all depends on the xp you have on your highest xp minion.

A single minion 100k MPR character will have different hiring costs than a 3 minion 100k MPR character.

Which means you cannot answer me :)

Hah, I'll wait and see then, thanks!

IE

I have a 94k MPR character with 3 minions, all equal xp.

It cost 370k for the top minion, 150k for the lesser.

That gives me a good idea of what I should expect.

You can calculate it though.

Use the formula to calculate the amount of experience your character would have at 100k MPR and then how much you would pay :)

100 000 MPR * (1.4307 * (100 000 MPR ^0.2501)) = 2 547 115.14 EXP

2 547 115.14 EXP * 0.33 * 3 = $ 2 521 643.99 cost for expensive option
2 547 115.14 EXP * 0.22 * 2 = $ 1 120 730.66 cost for cheap option

$ 2 521 643.99 / 3 = 840 547.997 Experience on the new minion.

I would think a single minion at 100k would at most need 1M to buy the top minion.

However, on a NCB run, the difference in xp between minion at the end of that run, if you buy one at 100k MPR is very little.

I would save the money and buy all your minions at the start.

hadn't seen the post you made Ranger, my numbers must be hugely off somehow...

The more expensive minion gives 1/9th the total xp of the most xp minion.

So if 100k MPR = 2 547 115.14 EXP

Then 2 547 115.14/9 = 283013 exp

283013 x 3 = about 800k for the most expensive one.

RoE is so ftw :P Had a better XP concentration into a single minion on a 4-minion tam than i coulda gotten by waiting to 1.9m MPR and spending 27m on each of three minions :D

Yes Hatch.

But hiring minions does give you more total xp on the character.

The reason I'm asking is because I was trying to come up with a way to kick start my NCB somehow. FB is causing me trouble by being nullified by AC down low, and it's my only source of damage.

I was going for a two minion, EE:Fam strat but I'd start as a single minion ranged tank to simplify my ascension at first. Then I thought I'd recruit at 100k MPR, when magic damage becomes more potent, and build my final strat at that moment.

So I was not looking for a MPR boost, but for an XP focus down low. If that makes any sense.

Unless you start as a single minion or at most 2, you will quickly find that DD minions become fairly useless as a primary attacker later on.

Tattoos, with their concentrated xp become more and more of a factor than minions.

So unless you plan on keeping 1 or 2 minions your entire way, hiring a third will result in more xp dilution and a less effective mage.

The plan was:

1 minion to 100k MPR (Ranged tank + FF) then 2 minions the rest of the way. (2 enchanters + FF)

Not too bad.

However the difference between minions hiring one at 100k is so little as to make the hiring at that time a waste of money.

Best to start with 3 minions rather than hire one at 100k MPR.

I take note :)

I did a quick test a while back and calculated that the xp return on buying BA was about 1xp : 2CBD.
Compared to the 1xp : 3CBD for the expensive minion this is quite a boost.

With the lowered cash rewards this is probably now 1 : 2.1 or so... either way, if you have to choose between buying BA or hiring a minion always go with the BA.

Of course... if you can do both.... :-)

Strat considerations will also impact your choices here by the cost effectiveness of the two approaches should be kept in mind.

*Note, the XP/BA I figured out was a non-NCB number... not sure what difference that will make.