NCB cost of BA unfair? (in General)

Hey does anyone here feel that the cost of BA under an NCB is far too high. I understand that it should incur additional cost but the cost is so high that for players who have missed out on their NUB due to lost interest (for example me) and then started a NCB say a year or 2 later now cannot compete with players who have NUB because they can purchase BA for virtually nothing...

A good example is me and single minion (I assume that the steepness of his MPR growth is due in large part to his ability to use extra BA. All I know is that I consistently have a 100% bonus on clan members with a 15% first place clan bonus, using all my BA per day and I am no where close to that steep....any thought?

oh and by the way all I mean by this is that it makes it impossible for a player like me to catch up to the top users because using an NCB to do that can't compete with a person who took advantage of the full NUB

I agree totally with the fact that the BA costs far too much...it should be free but only about 1/4 or 1/3 of what NUB's get...I missed out on 4 1/2 months of my NUB, not out of lost interest but just hard times...sucks...

you can do quite well without purchasing ba, just don't miss any natural regen. put all of your income in gear, or save it for another run. you can grow a tat quite well for a later run or sell it.

I think it's fine the way it is; but I see your point.

The ncb wasnt built to get you to the top.

I understand that but if the reverse argument is that a NUB properly utilized is meant for getting to the top (good example is single minion) then what about players who miss that NUB, what are there chances in that case?

and I just thought about this...

What about having the NUB only apply on days you log on...so if the starting time is 6 months you only lose a day on days you log. This means if you are gone for 3 months it will not impact the remaining time on the NUB because technically you would still be a new user

I'm fine with the system as it is. It might seem unfair, but it makes sense. It's in place so that not just every average player can hit the top - it's in place to make sure that if you try to make a run for it, you're going to need dedication and deep pockets.

If you start a NCB character and not buy any BA, it will grow to a very respectable character by the time you are done.

And before you say "For players who have missed out on their NUB due to lost interest", think about all of us who joined before the NUB was implemented. Imagine if it went back to the way it was - no NUB, no NCB.

the only true inequity that i see in the game is for the characters created in early 2005. it truly sucks to be them. if that is all that you have ever had, the ncb seems very generous.

Single Minion was an NCB. See here: Goose and Gander: Fair?

"QBJohnnyWas2:01 PM EST Single Minion was an NCB. See here: Goose and Gander: Fair?"

well that is entirely unrelated. And after reading that article it gets me so angry that people actually believe that what single did was fair. having a multi prevents one person having multiple accounts. It should follow that 2 people sharing a character should likewise be against the rules. I do agree that it is FAR too late to fix it but admins made a big mistake there. Simply because it puts regular traditional players at a huge disadvantage to a character like that.

Simply put I think two people acting together on seperate accounts is the EXACT SAME THING as a multi.

The only way they were able to afford to buy up the BA as an NCB was because they had 2 users combining money!

Be careful of what you say. Single Minion is not the EXACT SAME THING as a multi. It was significantly more expensive than a NCB. Furthermore, there was no rule/IS no rule in doing what they did.

AdminJonathan October 5 9:14 AM EDT
Bumped based transfer fee to 100k. If they still want to pay the fees I am OK with this

If jon has expressly said it is okay, don't expect it changed any time soon.

oh i don't think it should be changed

The entire reason I brought this up is because I asked missingno how he achieved such a steep MPR.

The answer (high spending, and combined BA use) essentially makes it impossible for me or any other user (unless they copy the strat) to achieve a similar performance.

This is kinda getting away from the initial reason for the post which is the problem for players who miss their NUB and then must start with a NCB. This puts a big damper on future growth.

Didn't you know? You aren't allowed to compete because you're not a new player any more. Due to this you have incurred a penalty and must now use USD to compete.

Several of the current top twenty started out life as NCBs; and out of those most have taken the top spot lately. So it is perfectly feasible for an NCB to get to the top and compete, and more.

It just takes some work. I think some of those players planned their run well in advance and infact funded it from previous runs.


Moral: put in the work and reap the rewards. don't put in the work (and it's not simply about cash and burning BA) and you won't get anywhere.

what me and Nem did was by no means a real unfair advantage. The amount of money we paid for that NCB on BA and transfer fees alone far outshines the majority of NCB out there (almost 100 million). I believe the only character that spent more than us was Relic's character (now Opvines) but after retraining, lost several hundred MPR. Notice our graphs are very similar in growth.

And single minion ^ may look like an unfair advantage, but costs like those described and the amount of work it took don't look like an advantage to me...

back on subject

I don't think BA cost should be changed. They should be set up in a way that it is unlikely that everyone would be able to buy all the BA. It creates a difference between people whom prepare extensively to buy BA, and those whom make NCBs broke.

Also note that BA prices should be much more manageable with the 6 month NCB. It's the same bonus but the money hasn't been rescaled at all during that time.

Another point I would like to make is that NUBs don't have as much going for them as we think they do. They do get free BA, but they waste a good portion of their NUB with no supportership, not to mention the difficult learning curve. The fact that one once in a blue moon a NUB makes a top spot, means that it's plenty balanced. NCBs are the norm, and because of that, the most common way to get a top spot. Stop acting like NCBs are always forced to catch up to NUBs.

that's a good comment missingno and that actually completely satisfies my question. I just wish I had made this NCB with a bit more money before hand.

Oh well i'll wait till next time

yep, and unlike the nub, you can learn from your mistakes with an ncb and do it again.

"And single minion ^ may look like an unfair advantage, but costs like those described and the amount of work it took don't look like an advantage to me..." I completely agree with you, not to mention they are splitting one character. It's not like each of them get one huge char to themselves.

"This is kinda getting away from the initial reason for the post which is the problem for players who miss their NUB and then must start with a NCB. This puts a big damper on future growth."

There are the people who joined before the NUB and people who joined when the NUB bonus wasn't very big at all compared to the ones now. I think I joined when the bonus was around 140%.

Some of us never had NUB, how do you think we felt when you all joined, got 3x exp, 3x money, next to nothing BA cost (or whatever all the numbers are now, they change every month because it's never balanced...)?

A post-NUB user, calling out current NUB users as having an unfair advantage? That would make a hilarious skit!

A CB skit? The world is not ready!

I believe the NCB ba cost should exactly match the amount PoisoN has spent buying BA.

Novice got the best point in this thread...