Negator
October 16 2008 4:07 AM EDT
Maybe it's just me, but the Wiki seems ambiguous on this. It first says:
"protects any enchantments cast on your minions"
and
"It does _not_ affect _any_ spells cast on enemy minions"
But then, it says:
"It protects your own EO from your own DM"
and
"It does nothing to your opponents EO"
So, does it protect all enchantments cast ON the wearer's team, or BY the wearer's team?? I thought it was BY the wearer's team...
cast ON the wearer's team. DM never hits enemy's EO anyway.
Negator
October 16 2008 4:25 AM EDT
So, the statement
"It does nothing to your opponents EO"
is incorrect, then?
Flamey
October 16 2008 4:31 AM EDT
"It protects your own EO from your own DM"
and
"It does nothing to your opponents EO"
Both are wrong.
Your DM will not affect my AMF. (1st point).
It only affects opponent's DM. It provides me with resistance against your DM. (2nd point). This is better written as "It does nothing to your opponent's ED". Or that it only affects DM and not EC/AMF.
The only relation that RoS bears with enchantments is Providing resistance to ALL EDs cast on yourself against your opponent's DM. EC/AMF are not affected at all.
Flamey
October 16 2008 4:33 AM EDT
Ah excuse me. I misread the 1st point. It lets you use EC/AMF and DM at the same time, if the EC/AMF has an equal level to the resistance granted by the RoS. If your AMF/EC is any higher then that much is dispelled by the DM. Whatever the difference is.
so to rephrase "It does nothing to EC/AMF cast by your opponent".
Negator
October 16 2008 8:35 AM EDT
Flamey said:
"It lets you use EC/AMF and DM at the same time, if the EC/AMF has an equal level to the resistance granted by the RoS."
This does not follow. As I (now) understand it, my RoS protects enchantments cast ON my team (i.e. my EDs, and enemy EC/AMF) from enemy DM. If the protection it offers only applies in this way, then it does not make it any easier for me to use EC/AMF and DM at the same time, since they are not cast on my team.
Is there another effect the Wiki does not document? I'm nearly sure what Flamey said used to be the case (I remember that one of my reasons for choosing the RoS two years ago was that it protected my AMF from my DM). Maybe that has changed.
Can I suggest that someone who is both totally certain of the way that the RoS works (currently) AND good at writing unambiguously, has a go at rewriting the Wiki page? Please?
Apollo
October 16 2008 8:57 AM EDT
From what I understand
RoS casts a protection against an enemies Dispel Magic at 40%
So a level 100,000 Rune of Solitude...
Will protect against Dispel Magic up to a level of 40,000.
Meaning all your enchantments you cast on yourself (Guardian Angel, Ablative Shield and so on) will be protected against dispel magic cast my an enemy minion up to a level of 40,000.
This means if you had Guardian Angel Casting at a level of 50,000, an opponents Dispel Magic of anything greater than 50,000 could only reduce the Guardian Angel Cast by 10,000, leaving it at the 40,000 level which the RoS protects against.
For Enchant offences (Anti-Magic Field, Ethereal Chains), it will have a similar effect. As an opponents dispel magic does not affect your casting of AMF/EC no difference will result from that.
What the RoS allows, is training Dispel Magic, and not having it negate your AMF/EC up to the level of 40,000.
So wearing a Level 100,000 Rune of Solitude will allow you to train Dispel Magic up to a level of 40,000 and it will have no affect on any AMF/EC you cast, leaving them at their same trained level.
To actually answer your question;
It protects your enchant defence (GA/VA/AS)from an enemies DM
It protects your enchant offence (AMF/EC) from your own DM
It does not affect your opponents enchant offence
It does not affect your opponents enchant defence
It does not protect your enchant offence from an opponents DM (as DM does not affect it anyway)
Apollo
October 16 2008 9:03 AM EDT
Every affect should actually be effect
Flamey
October 16 2008 9:17 AM EDT
Negator, that supposedly not documented effect is true, and I don't know how it makes sense in the logic of things, but it's just there.
All of what Appollo is saying is correct, just so you know. Except you could be pedantic about this:
"It does not affect your opponents enchant offence "
DM is an EO. The RoS provides resistance against the opp's DM. So it affects one of the EO spells, just not the other two.
Apollo
October 16 2008 9:20 AM EDT
I am pedantic I apologised for affect and effect
Good spot, I am just glad someone read it
Negator
October 16 2008 9:48 AM EDT
Thanks, Flamey and Apollo, I have updated the Wiki. Something tells me this will not be the last word on the matter. :)
/me fixes the last of the errors and grimaces menacingly while holding a fresh carp
/me also remembers to hit save the second time around
Last Gasp
October 16 2008 3:00 PM EDT
Was that a fresh "Carpe Diem" you seized Novice?
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