So what can I do differently? (in General)
Lumpy Koala
December 17 2007 10:01 PM EST
Since I hit 2mil mark now... and I am not doing any better than when I was 1.6mil :P Any suggestion is welcomed. I am thinking of saving 14mil to hire another minion, but that will probably take 4 months to save :P
Also just for the sake of ranting :P I am still extremely disappointed that UC gets no boost but a nerfing in the last rescale. I had a raw UC of 115 before rescale with level of 1,900,000... now that I have 2,250,000 lvl and my raw level is 114.... the number should go up, not down, at the very least maintained.
TheHatchetman
December 17 2007 10:18 PM EST
I was about to advise renting a MgS and seeing what that does, then realized you have enchantments... Until you get another minion, there is nothing that I personally see you being able to do to improve your standing...
When ya get another minion, you could either make them a mage wall, or move the enchantments to them and give your UC guy a MgS. I'd be leaning on the second choice so as to allow you to use a tattoo as well...
Remember that UC did get somewhat of a bump, you now have a slightly higher defensive dex bonus...
Oh, do what all the cool kids are doing... Untrain your VA, Str, Dex, and UC and train Eva and more AMF then use an Robf and you'll be set...
Lumpy Koala
December 18 2007 12:15 AM EST
but the biggest tattoo I have is a ROE :P
And I have less than 500k to make a living in this harsh CB world hehehe Don't think I can join the party with those kids
Ulord[NK]
December 18 2007 12:33 AM EST
I wouldn't go down the dark alley of RoBF addiction. It keeps me awake at night for fear of nightmares. The lost of option to use RoE is a big one with RoBF in my opinion. I'm really no expert on UC teams but from what I see, hiring an enchanter would be very effective. You can either make it a back wall, do the TSA, MGS routine. Your UC tank is massive it'll be as good as an evasion minion. Alternatively, put ToE on the back wall and learn AMF. But yeah, you'll need a good 30mil to hire minion and get all the goodies :).
Iluvatar[NK]
December 18 2007 1:56 AM EST
What about abandoning AMF and VA entirely in favor of a large MgS and/or EH?
You can put it entirely into HP. I'm not sure which way will offer great overall longevity though.
Lumpy Koala
December 18 2007 2:08 AM EST
Most of the time, I fight with ROE :) So MGS doesn't really mean anything to me other than defensive strat. And I tried before.... decay utterly destroys me :)
The thing about UC is the lack of destructive damage. It's true we can do quad hits easily but only against minions without evasion. When they have evasion, we only do like 300~500k per hit, if we hit :) That could be much lower against some heavy AC teams up here. So while every tank complains about evasion, they could at least do millions of damage per hit when they are successful but not UC.
And really mages like Sut's or equivalent kills me in 1 round....I still can't find a counter for that unless I hire more minions + TOE or RoBF :P
Iluvatar[NK]
December 18 2007 2:21 AM EST
Most of the time, I fight with ROE :) So MGS doesn't really mean anything to me other than defensive strat. And I tried before.... decay utterly destroys me :)
Oh, I remember that. So I suppose that's right out then.
The thing about UC is the lack of destructive damage. It's true we can do quad hits easily but only against minions without evasion. When they have evasion, we only do like 300~500k per hit, if we hit :) That could be much lower against some heavy AC teams up here. So while every tank complains about evasion, they could at least do millions of damage per hit when they are successful but not UC.
Eh, overall the damage should work out to about the same; you hit more often, we do more damage when we connect. Actually I barely have any fightlist changes when I have no weapon at all. It's kind of depressing actually; that 33m BoNE had very little effect.
Imagine that sort of thing in the hands of Bozo or Goldenlight way back when though =w=''
Or even Asgard.
And really mages like Sut's or equivalent kills me in 1 round....I still can't find a counter for that unless I hire more minions + TOE or RoBF :P
Yeah, concentrated DD is really the bane of single minions. RoBF and ToE are honestly the only available situations; neither is really feasible in your situation.
QBJohnnywas
December 18 2007 4:22 AM EST
I still think the standard CB UC build is flawed; exbow, axbow.......if the UC weapon is high enough those tanks aren't going to hit you anyway. Obviously, the big PTHs are a problem, but that aside, (most of the rest of the game) why do you want to waste your massive WA on a weapon that isn't needed? Get some damage under your belt instead. Bigger damage in ranged can be the answer against mage teams too.
Of course I'm biased, having always run UC tanks with bows or slings....;)
Lumpy Koala
December 18 2007 9:26 AM EST
I dont' know... I still say it's the melee damage that's killing UC. Here's an example melee round against Talion.
Tifa pulverized Fire Wraith [209986]
Tifa draws strength from his weapon! [60834]
Tifa crushed Fire Wraith [169737]
Tifa burns from the flames surrounding Fire Wraith (475763)
But if you guys say UC is overpowered or just right... myself who had been using it for so long, would just like to disagree. Maybe I have used it wrongly... so I want suggestions :)
The main purpose of the post is ideas to change my char. Definitely not now, maybe 1 year from now, I would have the cash to do something hehehe
QBJohnnywas
December 18 2007 9:45 AM EST
I'm a bit surprised by your damage, given you've twice my strength. I've not looked at Talion's char to see what damage reduction is going on though so...
But still.....here's some of my own UC damage.....
Charlie crushed Water [202585]
Earth absorbs damage [202585]
Charlie crushed Water [285656]
Charlie crushed Water [253427]
QBJohnnywas
December 18 2007 9:47 AM EST
How much does his EC hit you for? Mine was against Aargh's char, 'Might Of Aargh'.
QBJohnnywas
December 18 2007 9:48 AM EST
Oh, with a (97) UC.
Lumpy Koala
December 18 2007 10:07 AM EST
I still have 800k str... and my exbow hit him 2~3 times each round... so it's quite safe to say his str on both minions should be around base.
My effective UC in battle stance (using ROE :P) is Unarmed Combat: 164 / 114
Lumpy Koala
December 18 2007 10:10 AM EST
oh... well I had 300k str, haha mistyped. Probably not a good sample since he has EC...
Let me fight the same guy you fought..
Lumpy Koala
December 18 2007 10:16 AM EST
OK here's a good one. MrMunch, Glory's char
Tifa pulverized Peanut [337066]
Tifa draws strength from his weapon! [32248]
Tifa burns from the flames surrounding Peanut (466661)
He has AC: 53 + 22 prot. And no EC
I can only draw with him now.... and he is like 1/2 my MPR :P But of course people don't like it if you don't count by PR, so he's JUST 400k lesser than me in PR :)
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