tweaking weapon damage & BL cap (in Changelog)

If you want to make this easy for me, compare the damage output in melee for a tank and a mage where ST is about the same as DD level. :)

Do you want UC as well as weapon damage Jon?

Guys and Girls, I offer my Character up for retraining.

Post your Strengths and damages, and I'll retrain to get a DD (does it matter which one Jon?) equal to your Str.

UC is actually harder to run the numbers for because of how it gets split into pth and dmg. So let's stick with real weapons for now.

Now that's why GL is a QB. :)

Thanks! :D

First lot of testing

258,030 Str, [92x114] +(33) Bone.

Violet Bier of Sorrows decapitated Matsumoto Rangiku [115516]
Violet Bier of Sorrows dislimbed Matsumoto Rangiku [127442]
Violet Bier of Sorrows decapitated Matsumoto Rangiku [108903]
Violet Bier of Sorrows dislimbed Shihouin Yoruichi [124650]
Violet Bier of Sorrows decapitated Shihouin Yoruichi [83124]
Violet Bier of Sorrows decapitated Kusajishi Yachiru [87866]
Violet Bier of Sorrows eviscerated Kusajishi Yachiru [91682]
Violet Bier of Sorrows dislimbed Kusajishi Yachiru [85601]


Violet Bier of Sorrows dislimbed Matsumoto Rangiku [112883]
Violet Bier of Sorrows decapitated Matsumoto Rangiku [78145]
Violet Bier of Sorrows dislimbed Shihouin Yoruichi [109765]
Violet Bier of Sorrows dislimbed Shihouin Yoruichi [120357]
Violet Bier of Sorrows decapitated Shihouin Yoruichi [77925]
Violet Bier of Sorrows dislimbed Kusajishi Yachiru [89186]
Violet Bier of Sorrows dislimbed Kusajishi Yachiru [99368]


Two fights from a target with no AC and no Endurance.

A Blacksword of Nan Elmoth [92x1541] (+82) ST: 203,192/136,371 I'm afraid I have BL at .73. Fights versus Bunker - no damage reduction. Naruto rived PowerGenerator1 [423588] Naruto lacerated PowerGenerator2 [386520] Naruto decapitated PowerGenerator2 [604313] Naruto eviscerated PowerGenerator2 [581764] Naruto decapitated PowerGenerator3 [541277] Naruto decapitated PowerGenerator3 [485104] Naruto dislimbed Thorns's familiar [552522] Naruto eviscerated Thorns's familiar [474217] Naruto eviscerated Thorns [609951] Naruto eviscerated Thorns [551963] Naruto eviscerated Thorns [448864] Naruto dislimbed PowerGenerator1 [547937] Naruto dislimbed PowerGenerator2 [536838] Naruto eviscerated PowerGenerator2 [498482] Naruto eviscerated PowerGenerator3 [613477] Naruto eviscerated PowerGenerator3 [409762] Naruto eviscerated Thorns's familiar [498549] Naruto eviscerated Thorns's familiar [541555] Naruto dislimbed Thorns's familiar [529452] Naruto carved into Thorns [476402] Naruto eviscerated Thorns [633064]

258,030 ( 112,042) MM. facing a 0.12 AMF

**30% Ranged Reduction**
Violet Bier of Sorrows takes damage from his own Magic missile (3764)!
Violet Bier of Sorrows's Magic missile hit Soi Fong [66954]


**20% Ranged Reduction**
Violet Bier of Sorrows takes damage from his own Magic missile (4302)!
Violet Bier of Sorrows's Magic missile hit Kusajishi Yachiru [63142]


**10% Ranged Reduction**
Violet Bier of Sorrows takes damage from his own Magic missile (4840)!


Violet Bier of Sorrows takes damage from his own Magic missile (5378)!
Violet Bier of Sorrows's Magic missile hit Matsumoto Rangiku [52137]


**30% Ranged Reduction**
Violet Bier of Sorrows takes damage from his own Magic missile (3764)!
Violet Bier of Sorrows's Magic missile hit Soi Fong [61065]


**20% Ranged Reduction**
Violet Bier of Sorrows takes damage from his own Magic missile (4302)!
Violet Bier of Sorrows's Magic missile hit Kusajishi Yachiru [68543]


**10% Ranged Reduction**
Violet Bier of Sorrows takes damage from his own Magic missile (4840)!
Violet Bier of Sorrows's Magic missile hit Shihouin Yoruichi [55831]


Violet Bier of Sorrows takes damage from his own Magic missile (5378)!
Violet Bier of Sorrows's Magic missile hit Matsumoto Rangiku [60693]




Again, same target, so no AC/Endurance

So with a pretty low-grade BNE you're doing slightly more damage than the MM already.

Mages will be relieved to know that's not how it's supposed to work. :)

test tube has equal ST and DD spell. The weapon is A Blade of Thuringwethil [73x350] (+30).
I'll let others use the BA to find the play-by-plays ;)

OK after some quick help in chat I'll try that again.
A Blacksword of Nan Elmoth [92x1541] (+82) ST: 203,192/136,371 I'm afraid I have BL at .73. Fights versus Bunker - no damage reduction.
Naruto rived PowerGenerator1 [423588]
Naruto lacerated PowerGenerator2 [386520]
Naruto decapitated PowerGenerator2 [604313]
Naruto eviscerated PowerGenerator2 [581764]
Naruto decapitated PowerGenerator3 [541277]
Naruto decapitated PowerGenerator3 [485104]
Naruto dislimbed Thorns's familiar [552522]
Naruto eviscerated Thorns's familiar [474217]
Naruto eviscerated Thorns [609951]
Naruto eviscerated Thorns [551963]
Naruto eviscerated Thorns [448864]
Naruto dislimbed PowerGenerator1 [547937]
Naruto dislimbed PowerGenerator2 [536838]
Naruto eviscerated PowerGenerator2 [498482]
Naruto eviscerated PowerGenerator3 [613477]
Naruto eviscerated PowerGenerator3 [409762]
Naruto eviscerated Thorns's familiar [498549]
Naruto eviscerated Thorns's familiar [541555]
Naruto dislimbed Thorns's familiar [529452]
Naruto carved into Thorns [476402]
Naruto eviscerated Thorns [633064]

Please also say UC is bugged! ;)

203,192 (86,592) MM (To match BLs Str) versus same target so 0.12 AMF reduction and no AC//Endurance

**-30%**
Violet Bier of Sorrows takes damage from his own Magic missile (3394)!
Violet Bier of Sorrows's Magic missile hit Soi Fong [28734]


**-20%**
Violet Bier of Sorrows takes damage from his own Magic missile (3879)!
Violet Bier of Sorrows's Magic missile hit Soi Fong [50570]


**-10%**
Violet Bier of Sorrows takes damage from his own Magic missile (4364)!
Violet Bier of Sorrows's Magic missile hit Kusajishi Yachiru [49233]


Melee Combat
Violet Bier of Sorrows takes damage from his own Magic missile (4849)!
Violet Bier of Sorrows's Magic missile hit Shihouin Yoruichi [63172]


Violet Bier of Sorrows takes damage from his own Magic missile (4849)!
Violet Bier of Sorrows's Magic missile hit Matsumoto Rangiku [62215]


**-30%**
Violet Bier of Sorrows takes damage from his own Magic missile (3394)!
Violet Bier of Sorrows's Magic missile hit Soi Fong [47163]


**-20%**
Violet Bier of Sorrows takes damage from his own Magic missile (3879)!
Violet Bier of Sorrows's Magic missile hit Kusajishi Yachiru [34008]


**-10%**
Violet Bier of Sorrows takes damage from his own Magic missile (4364)!
Violet Bier of Sorrows's Magic missile hit Kusajishi Yachiru [45419]


Melee Combat
Violet Bier of Sorrows takes damage from his own Magic missile (4849)!
Violet Bier of Sorrows's Magic missile hit Shihouin Yoruichi [39366]


Violet Bier of Sorrows takes damage from his own Magic missile (4849)!
Violet Bier of Sorrows's Magic missile hit Matsumoto Rangiku [59099]

I know this might not be enough conclusive data, but this is a comparison on 10 trials of str/wep damage vs my CoC damage. I would do more but I'm flying out the door to work. Data listed below, str and DD level not the same, but close enough to use the data I think, with compensating a bit.

On Nemesis:
Catalyst str 656k using a BoTh at 73x757+50
Average damage over 10 trials against random opponents = 356k damage

Glacier CoC 751176
Average damage over 10 trials against random opponents = 138k damage

Problems: very difficult to consider varying AC, TSA effect, spell effects, etc.

Sry I don't have time to test more, gotta run. Hope it helps somehow.

Rydia's Fireball hit Shadow Clone [4025], Shadow Clone [1677], Shadow Clone [4382], Naruto Uzumaki [3912]
Shadow Clone's Magic missile hit Rydia [4338]
Shadow Clone's Decay hit Rydia [9809]
Shadow Clone's Magic missile hit Rydia [5182]
Naruto Uzumaki dislimbed Rydia [45274]
Naruto Uzumaki decapitated Rydia [31977]
Naruto Uzumaki cries "Shadow Clone Jutsu!"

R.I.P. Rydia

help?

oh forgot to add my DD spell is about 4 times his ST

ST: 852,585/200,000

Grond 'Hammer of the Underworld' [84x2190] (+50)


Melee Hits / Blows / Avg Damage 14 / 14 / 804,796
Melee Hits / Blows / Avg Damage 6 / 6 / 580,122
Melee Hits / Blows / Avg Damage 6 / 6 / 674,339
Melee Hits / Blows / Avg Damage 8 / 8 / 678,068
Melee Hits / Blows / Avg Damage 7 / 7 / 604,751

some average damages against people from my fight list.

Okay, I've cut weapon damage by a bit less than half, and capped BL at 0.6 (from 0.75).

Unless its a big deal or unless people have problems with it, could we please get our MPB reset?

Can my MPB be fixed to not show something I probably will never reach again?

Need any more testing done Jon?

GL is teacher's pet :P

:P

Nah, I just really wanted physical damage scaled down! And the best way to get that done is help show the imballance!

I want my new Two Mage Strat to be viable! :P

perhaps you got your wish?

It would seem that the damage has lessened...though there is no confirmed posts about it yet though

Jon has confirmed it here.

# update parties set max_blow = 0.4 * max_blow where max_blow > 100000;
UPDATE 213

Perhaps this should be moved to Changelog so in the future people can easily find this thread. Considering it is a major change from the first changelog today.

That is 50% less damage, a MPB reset, and a decrease in the BL level.

Just a thought.

Re did my original Bone Test. Same Strength, same opponent.

Violet Bier of Sorrows eviscerated Matsumoto Rangiku [63541]
Violet Bier of Sorrows dislimbed Matsumoto Rangiku [47438]
Violet Bier of Sorrows decapitated Matsumoto Rangiku [54165]
Violet Bier of Sorrows decapitated Shihouin Yoruichi [62324]
Violet Bier of Sorrows dislimbed Shihouin Yoruichi [46389]
Violet Bier of Sorrows decapitated Kusajishi Yachiru [60427]
Violet Bier of Sorrows dislimbed Kusajishi Yachiru [57579]


Violet Bier of Sorrows decapitated Matsumoto Rangiku [67831]
Violet Bier of Sorrows decapitated Matsumoto Rangiku [63722]
Violet Bier of Sorrows dislimbed Matsumoto Rangiku [51327]
Violet Bier of Sorrows decapitated Shihouin Yoruichi [69693]
Violet Bier of Sorrows dislimbed Shihouin Yoruichi [69236]
Violet Bier of Sorrows eviscerated Shihouin Yoruichi [47392]
Violet Bier of Sorrows eviscerated Kusajishi Yachiru [49483]
Violet Bier of Sorrows dislimbed Kusajishi Yachiru [58629]

I updated my stats, but my MPB didn't go down...

this is much better, mages have a change to survive now

Confirmed. My MPB is still the same, and yes it is above 100,000.

Probably need to wait for cache flush tomorrow?

So how is UC and ranged damage affected by this change? My x307 Axbow is only doing like 12k damage or so, which seems really low.

My rented Elven Bootswent back today, and at the same time, my BL dropped to 0.6, so I thought, "Wow, those EB's really affected my Skill level! Better train the BL up again!"

After training a day's worth of Exp into BL, I read this thread. Ack!

It seems the required ratio of bloodlust to strength is less now to achieve the full .6 effect. My str is fairly passed 4x my bloodlust and my effect hasn't dropped under .6. Can you tell us what the new ratio might be, or if this is a bug?

I noticed that as well, wasn't sure if it was a bug or if Jon dropped the ratio required and didn't tell us.

Quick bump for this latest point. :O)

agreed, to make Tez happy.

I haven't been training ST yet because i need to up my VA a lot so only DX but, my BL is less than 1/4

Yeah, my base ST is 370K, so I rented a decent TSA to get my ST up to 560k. My BL is still 0.6. :O)

My guess: 1/5

So many changes, so confusing... how much more effective are physical attacks now, on an average/vague estimate?

My MPB is now almost 2.5x as large as before the change, with only minor increases in ST and damage.

tank blender is back :D I am so glad there's still mages around for me to fight with hehe

I'm going to have to leave the mage ranks. My ToE CoC strat was completely nerfed by the last change. I can't compete with all the AMF tanks ripping me a new one.

I've tried a defensive strategy at the bottom ranks, CoC with and without a ToE and found it to not be offective. I've changed to FB/MM which is working much better.

Mages are still viable, but offence is so much more improtant than defense now.

'Mages are still viable, but offence is so much more improtant than defense now. '

GL, when was defense ever really a part of this game. Except for walls, CB2 is an offensive game.

Yeah. :(

I thought things were really coming together to give defense a fighting chance. 400AC Walls, PL, AoAC, Endurance, ToE Auras.

Then weapons get supercharged and it all goes out the window again! :P